Also, though we not the most statistical here at the HHB, we have brought in a team of summer interns that have helped us crunch the numbers and revealed a very interesting statistic about Mike Bibby's season last year--consider:
We ran certain numbers from Bibby's 2008-2009 season (Stats Courtesy of Basketball Reference-go sponsor a page today!), PER, Minutes Played, Assist Rate, and Effective FG percentage. We also filtered by Position, Age, and Years in the League. What we found is that only (12) times since the 1989-90 season a player has done what Mike Bibby did in those (4) categories.
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Rk | Player | Season | Age | Tm | Lg | G | MP | FG | FGA | 3P | 3PA | FT | FTA | ORB | DRB | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PF | PTS | FG% | 3P% | FT% | PER | eFG% | AST% |
1 | Magic Johnson | 1989-90 | 30 | LAL | NBA | 79 | 2937 | 546 | 1138 | 106 | 276 | 567 | 637 | 128 | 394 | 522 | 907 | 132 | 34 | 289 | 167 | 1765 | .480 | .384 | .890 | 26.6 | .526 | 45.5 |
2 | Magic Johnson | 1990-91 | 31 | LAL | NBA | 79 | 2933 | 466 | 976 | 80 | 250 | 519 | 573 | 105 | 446 | 551 | 989 | 102 | 17 | 314 | 150 | 1531 | .477 | .320 | .906 | 25.1 | .518 | 49.3 |
3 | Steve Nash | 2006-07 | 32 | PHO | NBA | 76 | 2682 | 517 | 971 | 156 | 343 | 222 | 247 | 30 | 239 | 269 | 884 | 57 | 6 | 287 | 117 | 1412 | .532 | .455 | .899 | 23.8 | .613 | 50.1 |
4 | Chauncey Billups | 2007-08 | 31 | DET | NBA | 78 | 2522 | 393 | 877 | 137 | 342 | 401 | 437 | 42 | 170 | 212 | 529 | 101 | 17 | 160 | 130 | 1324 | .448 | .401 | .918 | 23.6 | .526 | 34.7 |
5 | John Stockton | 1994-95 | 32 | UTA | NBA | 82 | 2867 | 429 | 791 | 102 | 227 | 246 | 306 | 57 | 194 | 251 | 1011 | 194 | 22 | 267 | 215 | 1206 | .542 | .449 | .804 | 23.3 | .607 | 52.6 |
6 | John Stockton | 1996-97 | 34 | UTA | NBA | 82 | 2896 | 416 | 759 | 76 | 180 | 275 | 325 | 45 | 183 | 228 | 860 | 166 | 15 | 248 | 194 | 1183 | .548 | .422 | .846 | 22.1 | .598 | 46.0 |
7 | John Stockton | 1995-96 | 33 | UTA | NBA | 82 | 2915 | 440 | 818 | 95 | 225 | 234 | 282 | 54 | 172 | 226 | 916 | 140 | 15 | 246 | 207 | 1209 | .538 | .422 | .830 | 21.9 | .596 | 49.1 |
8 | John Stockton | 2001-02 | 39 | UTA | NBA | 82 | 2566 | 401 | 775 | 25 | 78 | 275 | 321 | 59 | 204 | 263 | 674 | 152 | 24 | 208 | 209 | 1102 | .517 | .321 | .857 | 21.9 | .534 | 46.3 |
9 | Steve Nash | 2007-08 | 33 | PHO | NBA | 81 | 2780 | 485 | 962 | 179 | 381 | 222 | 245 | 28 | 254 | 282 | 898 | 53 | 5 | 295 | 113 | 1371 | .504 | .470 | .906 | 21.1 | .597 | 47.3 |
10 | Steve Nash | 2008-09 | 34 | PHO | NBA | 74 | 2484 | 428 | 851 | 108 | 246 | 196 | 210 | 19 | 204 | 223 | 717 | 55 | 10 | 248 | 108 | 1160 | .503 | .439 | .933 | 19.5 | .566 | 42.4 |
11 | Jason Kidd | 2008-09 | 35 | DAL | NBA | 81 | 2886 | 257 | 618 | 131 | 323 | 86 | 105 | 85 | 415 | 500 | 702 | 160 | 39 | 185 | 168 | 731 | .416 | .406 | .819 | 16.9 | .522 | 34.7 |
12 | Mike Bibby | 2008-09 | 30 | ATL | NBA | 79 | 2740 | 437 | 1005 | 167 | 428 | 135 | 171 | 38 | 240 | 278 | 392 | 98 | 11 | 128 | 145 | 1176 | .435 | .390 | .789 | 16.3 | .518 | 24.2 |
The goal of this exercise was to see the following:
1. Was there anything unique about the season Bibby had last year?
2. Is it easily repeatable?
3. Was this an outlier season for Bibby?
We chose PER, Assist Rate, Minutes Played and Effective Field Goal percentage because we felt it best captured what the point guard position on the Hawks was looking for: A facilitator who can shoot, play a lot of minutes (though we only used 30MPG * 82 as the measure here, Bibby played over 36 MPG last season--Billips was the only player who wouldn't have made the cut @ 36 MPG), and overall offensive effectiveness.
We chose the age (30) and years in the league (11) to gauge how common it is to do this later in one's career, effecting repeatability.
You're talking the likes of Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Magic Johnson here. There's Jason Kidd with last season like Bibby and two seasons ago Chauncey Billups.
We wanted to check if this was an outlier season, so we stretched the criteria to include any age of season and we found that this is Bibby's only season realizing all of these statistical thresholds at once. Being that the .518 EFG was a career high, we dialed it back slightly to .500 and found three other seasons. Bibby had a total of (4) out of the 142 occurrences (at the .500 eFG) since the 1981-1982 season. Not too shabby.
So, it seems that Bibby's season is somewhat unique in that it occurs less than an average of (5) times a season in the NBA among guards. We also saw that the season was not an aberration for Bibby, as he has dotted his (11) seasons with (4) of his own entries.
Looking at this and understanding his offensive value to the team, and given there are no true facilitators on the roster or elsewhere in free agency that can help spread the floor when the other isolators are doing their thing in the Hawks "offense", it seems a good thing to do to bring Bibby back. And consider, as we've written before, that Kidd's speculated 3 year, 25 million dollar deal is the high watermark for any Bibby deal--most believe it will come in below Kidd and above the MLE, which would put it in the 3 year, 20 million range.
We just wanted to attempt to put some statistical context around what Bibby provided last season and we feel that was accomplished by this exercise. Whether Bibby can continue that level of output over the next three years is debatable, but the HHB feels as though what Bibby does provide is unique in the NBA and needed for what the Hawks do and we welcome the resigning.
Now go make it happen.
Link for the search: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... der_by=per
UPDATE: According to Sekou Smith, they did make it happen! A reported 3 years and 18 million according to Smith and two sources familiar with the situation.
5 comments:
I have one problem with your assessment. What qualifies as a facilitator. I'm failing to see how Bibby qualifies as a facilitator or distributor based on the information you provided (or what my own eyes see).
The Hawks need a point guard who can beat someone off the dribble and pass the ball to open players. That's not Bibby's strength. I'm not against bringing him back, but I'd much rather have Ramon Sessions or Andre Miller. We may need a killer J from our PG, but that's just b/c Woodson sucks vs. actually using the point guard to defend, distribute and hit something other than a 3pt shot to score (like maybe a layup or a mid-range jump shot).
Thoughts?
Basically Bibby fits perfectly the role that Mike Woodson has created for his PG. We can cry all we want about wanting better defense, more driving to the basket, and less iso plays, but Woodson isn't listening. That being the case bringing Bibby back makes all the sense in the world and this doesn't seem like a contract that will be crippling even in its final year.
Bibby executes in establishing the desired tempo and getting the ball to the right people at the right times. He does not beat the ball into the ground and is consistent, even in transition.
His assist rates are not as high, simply because the people he passes to eliminates the possibility of an assist by isolation.
He does facilitate this offense, and his arrival to the team--the arrival of more of a true PG than the Hawks had in previous seasons--made an impact.
I would also rather have a creator along the lines of what you are talking about, but that's not going to happen this season. After all, I was among those who championed Ty Lawson and have complained that in bringing in Crawford and Teague it has been made clear that not only does the team not see a problem with what they are doing offensively, they want more of it. So, versus losing Bibby and taking away the only PG on the team, with no intention of bringing in another, I see some value in his return.
Ron,
You just said it better than I tried to--had to break while writing the comment response to Larry---well done, sir--
well mike is playing a good fight
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